Monday, July 24. 2006STEMMING THE TIDE
Science took another hit from the tide of religious conservatives this week, as President "Butterfly Ballot" vetoed the stem cell research bill passed by his own party. (I know this is usually a politics-free blog, but I'm not exactly a disinterested spectator on this matter.)
I've been IMing the rest of Professor Antlerhead's research team, and for now we'll just make do with the status quo: those of us on the stem cell project have to be completely segregated from the other federally-funded projects. As I've said here before, that can be a major logistical hassle. (When I eat a bug, I have to make sure it didn't escape from a federally-funded vending machine.) While I return for the fall semester I'll also be working on adult stem cells and umbilical-cord-blood stem cells. There are some promising leads on those fronts, but the net effect is still that I'm doing my work with one paw tied behind my back. I'm not a person to rush into things (as Fenton knows from his multiple rejected marriage proposals) but I can't help thinking of the lives that will be lost due to the cures that will be be unnecessarily delayed. Thanks for the use of the soapbox. Next week's blog will be funnier. Trackbacks
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"I'm doing my work with one paw tied behind my back"
-for a porcupine, that's not only slow, it's painful! There were other proposals by Fenton besides the one a little after he got hired at Flea-Bay? I thought that you had simply reiterated that you weren't ready to be married because you weren't ready to be a parentt.
I agree that stem cell research has the potential to save human lives, but to play devil's advocate, the supporters often think that the lives of the embryos are what is at stake. I don't think that embryos constitute human beings that need protection, but it's important to consider the other side. I have considered the other side, and it's largely a knee-jerk response to the issue. This bill specified that only surplus blastocysts that were going to be discarded anyway from fertility clinics were to be used, with the permission of the egg and sperm donors. The anti-bill folks would rather these embryos continue to be flushed away for no use at all, as they have been for years, rather than let them be used to help desperately sick people, including children. If they weren't hypocrites, or simply ignorant of the facts, they should campaign to shut down the fertility clinics if they're so outraged about destruction of two-day-old human life.
Sorry to soapbox here, but I'm really tired of selective "morality" and "values" being used to make stupid laws and policies that hurt people. How about stem cells deriving from amnion fluid test, they have the same abilities as embryonal ones (as they are basically embryonal cells) but are not classified as embryonal stem cells as they are no longer part of an embryo?
Hey, did you see the NY Times article about the genetics of tameness? There's an interesting series of experiments going on; thought people here might be interested:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/25/health/25rats.html I had heard of the tame silver foxes experiments before, but the tame versus ferocious rat research is new. Rh Most materials used in the research would actually have been disposed of by the body.
So it's a little bit like crying over the sperm that have to die once the "best" one takes up the vaunted spot in the egg. Yes, stem cell research is a buggy... mmm... buggy... sorry! Stem cell research IS a rather dodgy topic to discuss, but I'm sure you'll get through this okay. Um... good luck!
I'm off to eat some bugs now... Did you see the echidna rescued in Australia? How is she related to hedgehogs (or porcupines?)
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/lf/031802zooanimals/im:/060725/481/3314effeb367415c837376beb8d85b06;_ylt=AqVCwgBmY1P60fu0byibAUblWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--?sp=-1&lsp=6000 Echidnae, like most Australian/Oceanic natives, are not closely related to creatures on other continents. One key feature to distinguish them from hedgehogs and porcupines is that they lay eggs.
Echidna species are very distantly related to hedgehogs. They're much closer to the platypus, since all of them lay eggs. The quills are just a good idea for defense that developed more than once.
Wow - this is the first time that I've wanted to walk away from Kevin and Kell. As a conservative Christian, this offended me - and lets remember folks - there is no such person (or animal!) as Lindesfarne - this is Bill Holbrook's opinion. (Too many "comments" seems to think that these characters are real!).
Why put your political opinions in a successful cartoon, Bill? You just lost one viewer (me) and who knows how many others who read your comments will go without commenting themselves. Kevin and Kell is great, but I'm not going to stick around while a comic turns political. It's sad that too many people don't take the time to understand the issue in the depth required, before deciding that a label like conservative Christian requires them to take a stand.
The fact that Bill is willing to take on issues, and not back away for fear of bothering someone makes me support him and his strip even more. Even when the issues aren't to my liking. Especially when the issues.. Cartoons are the face of the cartoonist, so I'd rather not read a non-political cartoon. I'm well aware that Lindesfarne isn't real, but it's still fun to pretend. You wouldn't have been reading this blog, otherwise, would you?
I do wish politics would be kept out of K&K, since it's only going to unnecesarrily divide the readership, but I for one choose to ignore the few times it comes up in favor of the rest of the story, which I consider to be pretty good. As for stem cells, many people on both sides of the issue, and other issues, don't have a clue what they're talking about anyway, which is why I wish things like that would just never come up in the first place. It's only going to cause trouble. Now, as for stem cell research in the Domain world, I'm actually surprised that it's such an issue. Here it's frowned upon because it's done with human tissue. But in Domain, the law of the jungle still often applies in dailyy life, yet every animal is just as intellegent as another, so I don't see why it would be such a big deal. If you can kill and eat your neighbor just because you're hungry, why would anyone care about a few cells? ...and for one reader that you may have lost, you have added to the respect this one has for you (and several others, most likely, who don't comment.)
I hope that you are able to ignore comment #8 and that it won't affect your decisions on posting things like this in the future. You've earned a fairly large userbase with your comic, and you're entitled to speak your mind while you've got everyone's attention. I know I'll be ignoring conservative Christians from now on. And what comic strip is supposed to not voice the opinions of the creator? This is Bill Holbrooks medium to share his thoughts, feelings, opinions and yes even politics if he so chooses. You indicate your christianity but this is a discussion of science not religion and yet the moral majority chooses to debate the destruction of cells as opposed to the destruction of human lives by not allowing the research. Alas his views are not addressing your religion, they are addressing a valid scientific and political current affair which is what Bill Holbrook has shown that he addresses on a regular basis in his comics and I praise him and all the other cartoonists who are unafraid to share their views no matter what view they take, that is the beauty of freedom of speech.
Saddened, I don't know if you're going to come back to read this or not, but if comics turning political upsets you, I suggest you not read Doonsbury, Bloom County collections or archives, Mallard Filmore (or is it okay for them to be political if it's from a conservative PoV?), etc.
On the matter of the unborn, you should know that there are more Bible verses that imply that the unborn are not full persons than do. The only passages where God says anything about the status of the unborn as a matter of Law or commandment, it's opposed to the concept of the unborn as persons. Some examples: Exodus 21:22-25 talks of men causing a pregnant woman to lose her child prematurely. Remember, there were no neonatal care units nor incubators nor hyeline membrane treatment drugs back then. This was when Israel was wandering in the desert for a generation after the Exodus. They didn't even have access to the level of neonatal care available to settled communities way back then! Premature birth was virtually always fatal for the baby, so there'd be no point in mentioning what to do if the child was unharmed. The passage says that if no harm results (and, given this and also some aspects of the Hebrew langauge, it means harm to the *mother*), then it's a mere fining offense (paid to the father, whose potential heir the child was considered to be, and thus the Law held him to be the injured party unless the mother were also harmed). This, mind you, in the same chapter and only a few verses after a verse (#14, if I remember right) that says that merely cussing out either of one's parents is a capital offense! Also, the Mosaic Law prescribes a test for marital fidelity, if a husband suspects his wife of cheating on him. The test would very likely cause miscarriage in the early stages of pregnancy (it involves drinking a brew made from toxic dust), and the symptoms described if the woman was indeed unfaithful sound very much like miscarriage. In other words, the Law here is commanding induced abortion! While not referring to the unborn, there is the passage in Deuteronomy that says that parents are to have their son stoned to death for merely being *stubborn*. That's post-birth abortion, commanded by God Himself! The only passages I know of that imply that the unborn may be persons are not God speaking as Law or commandment, but (A) God talking to Jeremiah about Jeremiah's pre-birth life (which may well have been talking about a pre-mortality spirit existence, especially given the "*before* I formed thee in the belly part") in Jeremiah 1:5, and the incident told in Luke where the fetal John the Baptist leaps for joy in his mother Elizabeth's womb at the approach of Mary, who was pregnant with Jesus at the time. I won't go into all of the incidents where God commanded or even performed Himself the slaughter of children (including sending two she-bears to rip 42 "little children" [exact words in the KJV] to shreds for calling a bald man [Elisha] "bald-head"). Before you use your religious beliefs to complain about a comic strip's politics, you should know what the scriptures you believe in actually say on the matter. Religion should stay out of politics, and vice-versa. Do you know Who invented Separation of Church and State? Not Thomas Jefferson: it predates him by nearly two millennia! It's Someone Whom you claim to think rather highly of. This Someone had four official biographers, and no less than three of those four found this statement of His important enough to quote Him on it: "Render therefore unto Caesar [the embodiment of the State of the time] the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." And there you have it: Separation of Church and State, as stated very plainly by one whom you believe to be no less than Almighty God Himself. So, if you continue to have a problem with the concept of Separation of Church and State, my advice is that you take it up with Him. Finally, Jesus was a liberal (unless you think He told the rich young ruler, "Go, and sell all that thou hast, and give it unto the CEOs of the international megacorporations, that it might `trickle down' unto the poor"), and His Apostles (pre-Paul) were downright practicing Marxist-style Communists -- yes, over a millennium and a half before Karl Marx was even born! Just as Jesus invented Separation of Church and State over a dozen and a half centuries before the First Amendment, so too did His Apostles invent Marxism centuries before Karl Marx! See Acts 2:41-47 and 4:31-37 (both are complete paragraphs in the Koine Greek and thus not taken out of context), and compare them with Marx's own summarization of Communism: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The latter passage continues into the first eleven verses of Acts 5, which shows Almighty God Himself divinely (and fatally) enforcing honest participation in this Marxist Communist economic system! Comics are a form of media, and it's the artist's choice of who they wish to appeal to and what they wish to support in their media.
And as for people acting as if the characters are "real"... I don't think it's so much that as it is people trying to be as "furry" as they possibly can. I suppose "saddened" never heard of Doonesbury. Then again, I never thought Kevin and Kell was entirely apolitical either.
I'd like to link to one of the comics on stem cell research from ScienceBlogs, sometime, so the strip can gain more readers who can think as well as laugh, and make up for the minuscule loss of one narrow-minded troll. Oh, the reason I posted. For Alice: The echidna is a monotreme, aka, an egg-laying mammal. Australia, as a land mass, was cut off from the rest of the world during most of the mammalian evolutionary explosion. So, on the continent and surrounding islands, the echidna, platypus and kangaroo all kept the same body plan, while other animals evolved new (placental) forms, elsewhere. These new animals filled the same niches as their ancestral egg-laying and marsupial counterparts. So, the echidna is very similar to Lindsfarne (who, like humans, bears live young) or any local porcupines you may know, yet they live on separate branches on the mammal limb on the tree of life. We're all related, in not only a common origin, but also in adapting to a common nature. Cheers, Karmen (note: the emphasis on "evolved" is unnecessary; I added just to annoy "saddened" who will probably be back anyways.) So far all the promising results with adult stem cells anyway.
#10 "Karmen" I doubt if "saddened" is going to want to come back if you intend to annoy her, make fun of her beliefs and try to shove your beliefs in her face. (I do believe in evolution as a possible thery, but one that was created by God.)
"Mewtwo" why have you decided to ignore concervative Christians? That's rather closed minded and hypocritical when you just criticize the conservative Christian as being closed minded. "Framwinkle" in Linesfarne's world (K&K comic) animals eat their neighbors when their hungry, but no one does that in the real world outside the comic strip. So yes, this kind of topic would be a big deal. Even in K&K, Kell attended a religious community of carnivours who showed respect and prayed for their prey. Clever pun huh? I didn't even do it on purpose! See even RELIGION was brought up in this comic in the past! So yes #9 I agree the artist has a right the express what he wishes even if I don't agree with it. As a conservative Catholic myself, I believe that embryos are people too. Yet, I also agree that embryo stem cell research may save sick peoples lives. When I die I want to be an organ donater. So I understand the the idea of sacraficing your life for the sake of another persons life. Isn't that what Jesus did? If you really think that embryo's are nessessary for scientific research at least have the decency to acknowledge and respect these embryo's as predeveloped people who are making a great sacrifice as Jesus once did. I know some people want to argue that they are indeed not poeple, but nothing more than a bag of tissue and cells. But then where are you going to draw the line? How can anyone know whether or not the baby has feelings when the baby can't tell us? I believe that a person is a person the moment they are conceived. If people are going to want to make exceptions after that, we might as well through all our moral values out the window. "COMALite J" you suggest that Jesus himself invented the Seperation of Church and State. I am not very impressed with you using quotes in the Bible and interpeting the meaning to your liking. The Bible is not accurate, it has gone through several translations, and several editings. You should not use it as if it were a source of evidence. Personally I doubt if it is even possible to Seperate Church and State. Many of our political laws are based off Church moralites. For example, it is against the law to commit adultury, kill, or steal. These are also not alllowed according to the commandments. I think that in many ways politics and religion go together whether we like it or not. And there's probably not much we can do about it, considering that Freedom of Religion is a constitutional right. At long last. Someone intelligent. Of course, most people are going to thoroughly ignore your arguments, Critic, and just promote their religio-phobic stance...
There was once a wise young elephant that said something that I will never forget. "A persons a person no matter how small." He went out of his way to protect the dustspeck that had contained a whole village on it. It wasn't until all the Who's in Whoville, including the littlest and the tiniest, that everyone who wanted to "boil that dustspeck, boil that dustspeck" decided that there really was life beyond what they could see with their tiny little eyes. I wish that we could all be like Horton. "Horton hears a Who" Dr. Suess. I wish that book could be found and read to every child, every day of the year. That the TV show was shown on every TV in the world. When will we listen and hear the tinest voices, that can't be heard with our tiny little ears? When will we see the tiniest life with our tiny little eyes? Love much, Love all. Merry Christmas to all, and to All a good night
You know, I agree with you, and I know how do you feel. Just a few weeks ago, I would never dare to read opinions of people that would be different from my opinions, since they would only make me angry.
But now, I see that a better thing to do is read those opinions while smiling deviously and whispering sarcastic comments about the IQ of people who have them. Sure, it's quite unjust, but hey, no one 'cept for me will ever know how I treat those guys. |
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