Sunday, March 7. 2010
MISSION STATEMENT
This is probably a good time for me to detail the workings of Herd Thinners, Inc. for the humans who read this. Denizens of my world, of course, are all too familiar with it!
Basically, it’s a food processing and distribution company, specializing in bringing meat to supermarkets as quickly as possible. This is because their carnivorous customers demand fresh kills. With 20th-century breakthroughs in transportation and technology, the company lives up to its slogan “From Roar to Store in 24.”
A predator such as Kell is responsible for a specific quota measured in pounds (which as we’ve just seen can vary). When she kills an elk, for example, she drags it to a collection point in The Wild where the company’s butchers process it within hours. At sundown the meat from the collection point is trucked to a packaging plant. By dawn the individually wrapped food is shipped to grocery stores where they’re on the shelves by mid-morning. It’s an intricate set-up, and was copied first by UPS and then by Federal Express for non-food shipping.
Once Kell fulfills her daily quota (which in her case is usually by noon), she returns to the Herd Thinners offices where she fills out the paperwork and has staff meetings. Now that her leg is healing she’s staying home, which is making her quite restless. Fortunately for me, she’s using her free time to help me plan the wedding.
BTW, due to her many years with the company she’s receiving a full paycheck during her convalescence. (That’s based on length of service.) A predator injured during their first year of employment would simply be fired, or worse if they weren’t familiar with R.L.’s methods of downsizing. (Hint: it involves digestion)
I know humans eat meat. Do you have a similar process?
Basically, it’s a food processing and distribution company, specializing in bringing meat to supermarkets as quickly as possible. This is because their carnivorous customers demand fresh kills. With 20th-century breakthroughs in transportation and technology, the company lives up to its slogan “From Roar to Store in 24.”
A predator such as Kell is responsible for a specific quota measured in pounds (which as we’ve just seen can vary). When she kills an elk, for example, she drags it to a collection point in The Wild where the company’s butchers process it within hours. At sundown the meat from the collection point is trucked to a packaging plant. By dawn the individually wrapped food is shipped to grocery stores where they’re on the shelves by mid-morning. It’s an intricate set-up, and was copied first by UPS and then by Federal Express for non-food shipping.
Once Kell fulfills her daily quota (which in her case is usually by noon), she returns to the Herd Thinners offices where she fills out the paperwork and has staff meetings. Now that her leg is healing she’s staying home, which is making her quite restless. Fortunately for me, she’s using her free time to help me plan the wedding.
BTW, due to her many years with the company she’s receiving a full paycheck during her convalescence. (That’s based on length of service.) A predator injured during their first year of employment would simply be fired, or worse if they weren’t familiar with R.L.’s methods of downsizing. (Hint: it involves digestion)
I know humans eat meat. Do you have a similar process?
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Yes we do. But over the years with criopacks it takes more then a day for meat to get to the stores. Some meats come in frozen ready to put in freezer caces for sale. Poltry comes it packed in either packed in ice or pre-packed from big distributors. Turkeys will mostly come in frozen. Many are sold frozen. During some holidays they sell them unfrozen so they can be cooked either that day or the next. Some markets even offer to make the whole meal for a little extra.
That's a big difference. Here, frozen foods are looked down upon by carnivores (although the foods are refrigerated during the transportation.)
if someone has the choice of frozen on fresh. Fresh always comes out on top.
I keep getting calls from a company that sells meats sent thru the mail. They can't understand that I would rather go to the local super market & get it fresh when I want meat rather then pay $15 to $25 a pound for frozen meat thru them. Note I only eat meat once or twice a week & my freezer is a small one.
The carnivores who look down on frozen meats today may fight tooth & nail for it if its the only choice they have to get meat.
I keep getting calls from a company that sells meats sent thru the mail. They can't understand that I would rather go to the local super market & get it fresh when I want meat rather then pay $15 to $25 a pound for frozen meat thru them. Note I only eat meat once or twice a week & my freezer is a small one.
The carnivores who look down on frozen meats today may fight tooth & nail for it if its the only choice they have to get meat.
Except for fish, well aged meat comes out on top for humans.
'Otter
'Otter
Pretty much the same, though in my part of the world some parts are not popular choices for food. In the past, pretty much the whole animal was used, but more and more often parts like organs, heads, and feet end up as "meat by-products" for pet food.
Paintings of noble feasts in Ancient and Medieval times sometimes showed a boar's head on a plate. In modern settings, people tend to minimize that the food came from something that once walked around.
Certain animals are not popular choices for food. Some religions bar certain kinds of meats (sometimes for good reasons, such as parasites). In my part of the world, the idea of eating a domesticated cat or dog is frowned upon, "who'd want to eat man's best freind?", and the idea of eating an ape is a bit sickening to many, a bit close to canibalism. Countries with lower standards of living tend to be less choosy.
Paintings of noble feasts in Ancient and Medieval times sometimes showed a boar's head on a plate. In modern settings, people tend to minimize that the food came from something that once walked around.
Certain animals are not popular choices for food. Some religions bar certain kinds of meats (sometimes for good reasons, such as parasites). In my part of the world, the idea of eating a domesticated cat or dog is frowned upon, "who'd want to eat man's best freind?", and the idea of eating an ape is a bit sickening to many, a bit close to canibalism. Countries with lower standards of living tend to be less choosy.
Also here we have few meat products that are brought in by hunters. At least in many of the more industrialized countries. Much of the meat we eat are beef, pork and chicken and those are grown on farms just for food and the like. Unfortunately it's not particularly good for our ecosystem due to the large concentrations of methane(the cows obviously) and how much grain goes into feeding. Not to mention the pollution of the air and near by water (and the smell is hardly pleasant.)
None of the animals are treated particularly well either and often are sick which can, in turn, make humans sick.
Things like fish are more likely to be caught in the wild due to the large amounts of them but this is causing a very large strain on their population.
It's a difficult subject here. Very different than hunting and working to bring down your own food, which plenty of people do, just not a very many when you look at the size of the population.
None of the animals are treated particularly well either and often are sick which can, in turn, make humans sick.
Things like fish are more likely to be caught in the wild due to the large amounts of them but this is causing a very large strain on their population.
It's a difficult subject here. Very different than hunting and working to bring down your own food, which plenty of people do, just not a very many when you look at the size of the population.
Some supermarkets do claim to have their own butchers, or grind the meat/cut it themselves. Don't know how close they are to the animal itself, though, and I doubt they actually kill them there.
Oddly, one difference is that we very rarely eat land-based apex predators. Cows, pigs, chicken, and turkey are staple food; deer is common among hunters, and bison among those that like leaner meat. Squid, octopi, crustaceans, and most fish are fair game. However, we seldom eat raptors, bears are... well, too endangered and too risky to go after, and most won't eat dogs and cats of any size. Monkeys, as has been said, are too close to us for comfort, and are also considered a bit too smart for us to be comfortable with eating them.
For sea predators, sharks, whale, and dolphin can be on the menu, but 'shark fin soup' is somewhat frowned upon in Western countries as being wasteful and harming endangered species, and the listed oceanic mammals are considered too smart for it to be ethical.
Finally, horses, elephants, and camels are something of an exception: far as I know, those countries that use them for transport (we used to ride them before cars were invented) don't like to kill them much. Of course, sometimes elephants /are/ killed (illegally) for the ivory...
Overall, though, RL would get in big trouble if he tried any of that over here. Eating many of those species is illegal, and killing other humans is grounds for imprisonment or execution. (Cannibalism isn't exactly looked upon fondly, either).
Oddly, one difference is that we very rarely eat land-based apex predators. Cows, pigs, chicken, and turkey are staple food; deer is common among hunters, and bison among those that like leaner meat. Squid, octopi, crustaceans, and most fish are fair game. However, we seldom eat raptors, bears are... well, too endangered and too risky to go after, and most won't eat dogs and cats of any size. Monkeys, as has been said, are too close to us for comfort, and are also considered a bit too smart for us to be comfortable with eating them.
For sea predators, sharks, whale, and dolphin can be on the menu, but 'shark fin soup' is somewhat frowned upon in Western countries as being wasteful and harming endangered species, and the listed oceanic mammals are considered too smart for it to be ethical.
Finally, horses, elephants, and camels are something of an exception: far as I know, those countries that use them for transport (we used to ride them before cars were invented) don't like to kill them much. Of course, sometimes elephants /are/ killed (illegally) for the ivory...
Overall, though, RL would get in big trouble if he tried any of that over here. Eating many of those species is illegal, and killing other humans is grounds for imprisonment or execution. (Cannibalism isn't exactly looked upon fondly, either).
We used to have something like Herd Thinners. We called it Market Hunting. Because we hunted some species to extinction and came close to wiping out others, Market Hunting is now outlawed in North America. However, Market Hunting threatens species in other parts of the globe. Humans are very efficient predators.
Today we couldn't support our current population levels strictly though hunting. Even in most places in the world that still allows market hunting, farm-raised food dominates. That the world of Domain can and does says much about ratio of civilized to wild and predators to prey.
It also says much that the world of Domain looks down on frozen meat but considers road kill a delicacy. A bit odd: The presence of bacon implies that your world has also practiced long-term food storage. In our world, freezing is the preferred preservation method for most meats due to its closeness to freshness. Humans with home freezers will stock up on fresh meat during sales.
Today we couldn't support our current population levels strictly though hunting. Even in most places in the world that still allows market hunting, farm-raised food dominates. That the world of Domain can and does says much about ratio of civilized to wild and predators to prey.
It also says much that the world of Domain looks down on frozen meat but considers road kill a delicacy. A bit odd: The presence of bacon implies that your world has also practiced long-term food storage. In our world, freezing is the preferred preservation method for most meats due to its closeness to freshness. Humans with home freezers will stock up on fresh meat during sales.
Really, most humans do not know where their food has been, nor where it comes from. Various people here will tell you that the meat is fresh. IIRC, generally wrong, especially for cow. See below (1).
Most starts as farmed food. Hunted food is just too rare, especially for our population density. We do not have extensive land set aside for 'the wild', though we do have some. Most of us are generally at ease with the (quite hidden from most of us) process of raising animals for food. This also involves breeding them for the optimum meat or milk production. Despite cute farm pictures, most are not in the open range environment that existed 100 years age. Most are in production pens. There really is almost no cruelty free meat, it is just at a level that we put up with. Milk production involves separating the (non-thinking) animal from its offspring, and if the offspring is male, setting it up on a fast-track to be food.
(digression) There is a huge difference between our worlds: we do not like to eat meat-that-thought. Most of us would be uneasy eating ape, whale, or elephant, just on the basis of memes that suggest that these animals may be close to us in thought abilities. You have no choice, unless you eat veggies.
We do not eat other humans, unless desperate, and maybe not then. We generally do not eat companion grade animals.
This might be similar to your reluctance to eat your own species or your friends.
(1) from wikianswers: Aging: To let food get older under controlled conditions in order to improve flavor or texture or both. 1. Aged meat has been stored 3 to 6 weeks at an optimal temperature of 34°F to 38°F and in low humidity. During this time it undergoes an enzymatic change that intensifies flavor, deepens color and tenderizes by softening some of the connective tissue. The longer meat is aged, the more quickly it will cook. The cryovac method of aging involves vacuum packing the meat with a vapor- and moistureproof film so the so-called aging takes place in transit from slaughterhouse to the consumer's home.
(you could start an industry in your world with the above information.)
'Otter
having too much empathy for other people's prey.
Most starts as farmed food. Hunted food is just too rare, especially for our population density. We do not have extensive land set aside for 'the wild', though we do have some. Most of us are generally at ease with the (quite hidden from most of us) process of raising animals for food. This also involves breeding them for the optimum meat or milk production. Despite cute farm pictures, most are not in the open range environment that existed 100 years age. Most are in production pens. There really is almost no cruelty free meat, it is just at a level that we put up with. Milk production involves separating the (non-thinking) animal from its offspring, and if the offspring is male, setting it up on a fast-track to be food.
(digression) There is a huge difference between our worlds: we do not like to eat meat-that-thought. Most of us would be uneasy eating ape, whale, or elephant, just on the basis of memes that suggest that these animals may be close to us in thought abilities. You have no choice, unless you eat veggies.
We do not eat other humans, unless desperate, and maybe not then. We generally do not eat companion grade animals.
This might be similar to your reluctance to eat your own species or your friends.
(1) from wikianswers: Aging: To let food get older under controlled conditions in order to improve flavor or texture or both. 1. Aged meat has been stored 3 to 6 weeks at an optimal temperature of 34°F to 38°F and in low humidity. During this time it undergoes an enzymatic change that intensifies flavor, deepens color and tenderizes by softening some of the connective tissue. The longer meat is aged, the more quickly it will cook. The cryovac method of aging involves vacuum packing the meat with a vapor- and moistureproof film so the so-called aging takes place in transit from slaughterhouse to the consumer's home.
(you could start an industry in your world with the above information.)
'Otter
having too much empathy for other people's prey.
I get the impression that I'm the only poster thus far who's grown up on a farm. The huge "production pens" are known as feed-out lots, and typically are devoted to animals in the last stage before market. For hogs, we called it the fattening hog lot.
Cattle doesn't do too well in confinement-type operations. Hog do, though there's problems like iron deficiency with pork raised on concrete. So do chickens. The "old style" means of raising market poultry was a huge barn, and whether that was "better" than confinement is a topic of debate.
On aging of meat: Humans tend to like it for beef if done properly. Pork isn't aged, unless you regard the preservation technique of curing that way. The only example I know of aged fresh pork was happenstance during the Civil War. Poultry isn't aged, and this is one human who won't so much as taste aged pheasant.
A note on human consumption of predators: Most hunters don't eat predators because there's usually less of them than prey animals. Black Bear is plentiful in some areas and some people dote on bear meat. Alligator hunting has returned as populations rebound, and is considered a delicacy. Turtle has always been on the menu. Opossum and raccoon are popular in some circles. There's a psychological barrier in the US to eating coyote, fox, and bobcat. Humans can, have, and will dine on predators if given the chance.
Cattle doesn't do too well in confinement-type operations. Hog do, though there's problems like iron deficiency with pork raised on concrete. So do chickens. The "old style" means of raising market poultry was a huge barn, and whether that was "better" than confinement is a topic of debate.
On aging of meat: Humans tend to like it for beef if done properly. Pork isn't aged, unless you regard the preservation technique of curing that way. The only example I know of aged fresh pork was happenstance during the Civil War. Poultry isn't aged, and this is one human who won't so much as taste aged pheasant.
A note on human consumption of predators: Most hunters don't eat predators because there's usually less of them than prey animals. Black Bear is plentiful in some areas and some people dote on bear meat. Alligator hunting has returned as populations rebound, and is considered a delicacy. Turtle has always been on the menu. Opossum and raccoon are popular in some circles. There's a psychological barrier in the US to eating coyote, fox, and bobcat. Humans can, have, and will dine on predators if given the chance.
It is extremely good to hear from an expert.
Thank you for this post.
'Otter
Thank you for this post.
'Otter
I go by cattle lots around here.
The cattle are penned in large herd sized fenced areas.
They are packed rather densely.
They are fed hay thru special feed openings.
It looks more like a factory then a free range operation.
We do have free range operations, they take a hillside or better.
They do not have the density of the cattle lots.
I am not talking about the feed-up-up for the slaughter lots.
We also have had those, I am within a few miles of the slaughter house that got shut down for inhumane practices.
'Otter
The cattle are penned in large herd sized fenced areas.
They are packed rather densely.
They are fed hay thru special feed openings.
It looks more like a factory then a free range operation.
We do have free range operations, they take a hillside or better.
They do not have the density of the cattle lots.
I am not talking about the feed-up-up for the slaughter lots.
We also have had those, I am within a few miles of the slaughter house that got shut down for inhumane practices.
'Otter
That's interesting. I still think those are probably feedout pens, mainly because I go by pastures out here where farmers and ranchers sell their cattle to feedout pens. It can go as young as calves, but I suspect the meat quality suffers.
Grass, hay, millet, grain sorghum are the cattle feeds of choice beyond the feedout lots. Corn is expensive enough that, during drought, there's a temporary drop in beef prices due to farmers and ranchers reducing their herds due to the rising cost of hay. I remember some ranchers out in Texas or the Southwestern US singing the thorns off prickly pear so their cattle would have something to eat. Also know of some folk who turned a handsome profit by irrigating pastures during drought and selling the hay.
I'm somewhat hesitant, due to the background of our hostess, to mention an alternative livestock that's growing in popularity in the U.S. There's still some psychological resistance, but it's being called the new chicken. It seems to be targeted to hobby farms and suburbanites, for I don't think it's for sale in stores. Popular in Europe, so I'm told.
Grass, hay, millet, grain sorghum are the cattle feeds of choice beyond the feedout lots. Corn is expensive enough that, during drought, there's a temporary drop in beef prices due to farmers and ranchers reducing their herds due to the rising cost of hay. I remember some ranchers out in Texas or the Southwestern US singing the thorns off prickly pear so their cattle would have something to eat. Also know of some folk who turned a handsome profit by irrigating pastures during drought and selling the hay.
I'm somewhat hesitant, due to the background of our hostess, to mention an alternative livestock that's growing in popularity in the U.S. There's still some psychological resistance, but it's being called the new chicken. It seems to be targeted to hobby farms and suburbanites, for I don't think it's for sale in stores. Popular in Europe, so I'm told.
I had no idea that alternate meat included that.
The English kind or the US plant eating kind?
She is English genetically.
Oh, my,
'Otter
The English kind or the US plant eating kind?
She is English genetically.
Oh, my,
'Otter
#7.1.2.1.1
Old Prof. Otter
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2010-03-08 22:19
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Ok I did some research.
Most recipes that say hedgehog really use something else.
I could not find a vender.
I believe your information is incorrect.
'Otter
Most recipes that say hedgehog really use something else.
I could not find a vender.
I believe your information is incorrect.
'Otter
#7.1.2.1.2
Old Prof. Otter
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2010-03-10 00:07
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And in anycase everyone in domain is food, and generally knows it. I would expect that recipes beyond 'pounce and devour' are posted for everyone.
Well, they just must speculate/extrapolate for human, but still...
And on the Human side, the book 'To Serve Man' (I have a copy) just substitutes the meat for more traditional meat. Which brings to mind that we joke about almost anything.
And eat just about anything.
'Otter
Well, they just must speculate/extrapolate for human, but still...
And on the Human side, the book 'To Serve Man' (I have a copy) just substitutes the meat for more traditional meat. Which brings to mind that we joke about almost anything.
And eat just about anything.
'Otter
#7.1.2.1.3
Godel Fishbreath, Old Professor Otter
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2010-03-10 11:14
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There is a fundamental attitude difference in human vs domain eating systems. The Human systems do not accept eating intelligent or close to intelligent creatures. In Domain, you do not have a chance to make this distinction, unless you go herb.
So that distinction is not there, and they must make a different distinction, one likely based on knowing someone, or caring for someone. This is a fundamental and strong shift in perspective.
It will touch everything.
'Otter
So that distinction is not there, and they must make a different distinction, one likely based on knowing someone, or caring for someone. This is a fundamental and strong shift in perspective.
It will touch everything.
'Otter
#7.1.2.1.4
Old Prof. Otter
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2010-03-11 04:19
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Which ties into the comments I made earlier about D2 being too innocent to really understand Domain.
'Otter
The river otter groks the otter river,
the otter river groks the river otter,
in perfect harmony and serenity.
'Otter
The river otter groks the otter river,
the otter river groks the river otter,
in perfect harmony and serenity.
Cute motto.
Not accurate, most herbivores do not roar.
But in a sense accurate, as meat is meat and anyone will do.
'Otter
Otter: a bad tasting meat, similar to skunk. Please keep this in mind.
Not accurate, most herbivores do not roar.
But in a sense accurate, as meat is meat and anyone will do.
'Otter
Otter: a bad tasting meat, similar to skunk. Please keep this in mind.
True, we don't roar......
but the predators do - hence the slogan.
(I *do*, however, admit to sneaking an anchovy or two into my greens sometimes.....) 7@=e
but the predators do - hence the slogan.
(I *do*, however, admit to sneaking an anchovy or two into my greens sometimes.....) 7@=e
"BTW, due to her many years with the company she’s receiving a full paycheck during her convalescence. (That’s based on length of service.)"
The phrase on this side is 'knowing where all the bodies are buried.' On this human side, it is figurative, meaning knowing more things about the people in the company. At one time Kell did 'write her own ticket' - demand high level compensation for her work. I really do not think that they would dare skimp on someone that is practically one of the high level manager level social and such circles.
'Otter
The phrase on this side is 'knowing where all the bodies are buried.' On this human side, it is figurative, meaning knowing more things about the people in the company. At one time Kell did 'write her own ticket' - demand high level compensation for her work. I really do not think that they would dare skimp on someone that is practically one of the high level manager level social and such circles.
'Otter
As much as we enjoy meat, Humans are not obligate carnivores like cats. We do and should eat veggies as a good omnivore should.
'Otter
'Otter
Have to, really. The 'Atkins Diet' is a fad that went on around here where you went obligate carnivore for a while. Yeah, it works -- because you go into starvation mode for a while. Really, we're pretty close to obligate omnivores. We absolutely need plant material to survive. Meat's a bit more iffy, and we can survive without it (herbivorous humans are known as vegetarians), but we have to be careful to get all the nutrients we'd normally get from animals from certain plants to pull it off.
No, humans actually don't need to eat any kind of plant matter to survive. We can survive and thrive on meat alone. The key is fat content. Humans will die of "rabbit starvation", or protein poisoning, if the meat is too lean. But big game, with higher fat content, can sustain a human indefinitely, and result in good health. All you have to do is observe the Inuit to see this at work. We don't have to consume any carbs...our bodies can manufacture carbs as needed, but we do have to consume fat and protein in order to survive.
Now, is this really advisable for most people? I would say no. I would recommend everyone eat a balanced diet full of fruits and vegetables and lean meat. But just know that humans can manage just fine eating a lifetime of meat.
Now, is this really advisable for most people? I would say no. I would recommend everyone eat a balanced diet full of fruits and vegetables and lean meat. But just know that humans can manage just fine eating a lifetime of meat.
HT goes after big game.
Is there a small game coompany in a similar market?
'Otter
Is there a small game coompany in a similar market?
'Otter
There are several, actually. I know Herd Thinners has a small sideline that deals in mice and rats (kind of like gourmet snacks), but there are other companies that specialize in that area.
And I remember hearing about an insect extermination company that actually captures the insects and...well, you can guess the rest. They claim their process is "kinder," but if I were one of their customers I'd be worried about whether they removed all the bugs from my home...and when I mentioned the company to an anteater friend of mine, she said she'd be concerned about the chemicals in the snacks (apparently they use something that knocks out the insects before capturing them).
This doesn't even get into all the restaurants we have to fit every appetite. I had some lovely elk sausage last night at a place that says they'll prepare anything you kill within a mile of it; snake was the roadkill special, but I wasn't in the mood for that. Maybe another time...
And I remember hearing about an insect extermination company that actually captures the insects and...well, you can guess the rest. They claim their process is "kinder," but if I were one of their customers I'd be worried about whether they removed all the bugs from my home...and when I mentioned the company to an anteater friend of mine, she said she'd be concerned about the chemicals in the snacks (apparently they use something that knocks out the insects before capturing them).
This doesn't even get into all the restaurants we have to fit every appetite. I had some lovely elk sausage last night at a place that says they'll prepare anything you kill within a mile of it; snake was the roadkill special, but I wasn't in the mood for that. Maybe another time...
So there would be a place that would employ small hunters?
And maybe go after small game like squirrels and rabbits?
'Otter
And maybe go after small game like squirrels and rabbits?
'Otter
Absolutely! Like I said, we're talking smaller "boutique" hunting outfits, but yes indeed. There's even a parallel for herbivores -- nurseries that grow specialty plants, either for planting or consumption (different packaging, I guess). Some even allow limited sampling -- but they have strict "No Predation" rules; some even go so far as to keep the catnip in a separate area from the rest of the plants. Necessary, I suppose.
Well there is both employment need for small and medium preds, and thinning need for the non-large animals. Considering the rabbit population density alone seems to be almost as great as the human on this side, this would be a large business not just a boutique niche. The employee's species would also be the customer's species mostly.
And if these species are not getting thinned, Rabbits Revenge's ultimate motives have a chance to become reality.
The record for HT is spotty: someone got rejected as they were putting a small prey style website, by RR wen after HT not the other operation.
So, any names? How can we refer to instances of this kind of business?
'Otter
And if these species are not getting thinned, Rabbits Revenge's ultimate motives have a chance to become reality.
The record for HT is spotty: someone got rejected as they were putting a small prey style website, by RR wen after HT not the other operation.
So, any names? How can we refer to instances of this kind of business?
'Otter
#11.1.1.1.1
Godel Fishbreath, Old Professor Otter
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2010-03-10 11:25
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Thanks for the post, Lindesfarne, but this leaves me with more questions than I had before.
For example, if Kell's collecting a paycheque during her convalesence, then why is Sheila hunting for her? I thought the idea of Sheila hunting was so that RL and the rest of Herd Thinners doesn't know she's injured. (Yes, "a wounded gazelle on the Serengeti" is a phrase here too) So why are they paying, rather than eating, an injured worker, regardless of her time of service? I would have thought that if she was paid it was the work her doppelganger was doing in her place.
Second, why is there a need for meat for carnivores in stores then? If they're all carnivores, don't they all hunt? Wouldn't buying meat just be lazy? I just assumed everyone found their own food, in the neighbourhood, if you know what I mean.
Thirdly, I love the "Roar to Store in 24" slogan, although, as Prof. Otter pointed out, it is kind of inaccurate, but it's catchy.)
For example, if Kell's collecting a paycheque during her convalesence, then why is Sheila hunting for her? I thought the idea of Sheila hunting was so that RL and the rest of Herd Thinners doesn't know she's injured. (Yes, "a wounded gazelle on the Serengeti" is a phrase here too) So why are they paying, rather than eating, an injured worker, regardless of her time of service? I would have thought that if she was paid it was the work her doppelganger was doing in her place.
Second, why is there a need for meat for carnivores in stores then? If they're all carnivores, don't they all hunt? Wouldn't buying meat just be lazy? I just assumed everyone found their own food, in the neighbourhood, if you know what I mean.
Thirdly, I love the "Roar to Store in 24" slogan, although, as Prof. Otter pointed out, it is kind of inaccurate, but it's catchy.)
If I remember right they only showed Sheila hunting before kell reported that she broke her leg on the job & eligable for workers comp.
As told earlyer many carnivores are to busy with work to hunt for themselves. Many mothers have too much to do taking care of the family to hunt.
Could the slogan from ROAR TO STORE have ben started when only the big cats did the hunting.
As told earlyer many carnivores are to busy with work to hunt for themselves. Many mothers have too much to do taking care of the family to hunt.
Could the slogan from ROAR TO STORE have ben started when only the big cats did the hunting.
Some carnivores in Domain do not hunt.
Danielle2 likes meat.
if Rudy's distrackia could not be over come, he would not hunt.
Ralph is such a poor hunter, it is likely that he needs to buy meat.
Danielle's husband has been seen eating a burger.
Some may have the money to be lazy, some need help to survive.
Kell, with her leg broke, must send someone to the store and get her meat that way. (likely Rudy?)
For the pay situation, workman's compensation for injuries sustained on the job.
'Otter
Danielle2 likes meat.
if Rudy's distrackia could not be over come, he would not hunt.
Ralph is such a poor hunter, it is likely that he needs to buy meat.
Danielle's husband has been seen eating a burger.
Some may have the money to be lazy, some need help to survive.
Kell, with her leg broke, must send someone to the store and get her meat that way. (likely Rudy?)
For the pay situation, workman's compensation for injuries sustained on the job.
'Otter
And what you get on workman's comp is both small and stupid.
'Otter
'Otter
And the whole thing has a potential for falling apart: RL remembers seeing 'Kell' healthy and well beyond the date that is on the doctor's visit that in turn is on the workman's comp papers.
What will keep this from happening is that as an exec he might never get the details of her claim.
'Otter
What will keep this from happening is that as an exec he might never get the details of her claim.
'Otter
So now there are two secrets kept from RL: who was it that showed up with Kell's kills, and the friendship.
Which does result in some slight need to do something with/to RL.
'Otter
Which does result in some slight need to do something with/to RL.
'Otter
I don't know about that. As a CEO of such a large company, RL has several personas: a public one that the press sees, a somewhat different one that his employees see, and another one that only those he trusts (if anyone) sees. This is the kind of thing that's necessary in a pack -- which is one reason felines, especially those who DON'T hunt in packs, often don't trust canines. But I digress.
The reason I'm bringing this up is that, as I understand it, some keep the personas mentally "separate" enough that one can "know" something the others don't. So if RL finds out privately about the friendship, and decides (or has it explained to him) that it isn't a threat to him as the alpha male, he could just go in his public and employee-facing personas pretending that he doesn't know about it. Whether he'd actually DO this is something that those who know RL better than I do would be in more of a position to say.
The reason I'm bringing this up is that, as I understand it, some keep the personas mentally "separate" enough that one can "know" something the others don't. So if RL finds out privately about the friendship, and decides (or has it explained to him) that it isn't a threat to him as the alpha male, he could just go in his public and employee-facing personas pretending that he doesn't know about it. Whether he'd actually DO this is something that those who know RL better than I do would be in more of a position to say.
#12.2.2.1.1
Terri the Tiger
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2010-03-12 09:47
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Thanks for the reply,
It may be that he would indeed let it pass.
But if he thought he found fraud (the dates and broken leg thing) and found about the friendship, he might be too suspecting to sanely evaluate the whole thing.
Kell and Frank have mostly supported RL. It would be interesting and almost scary if RL thought that they would be against him.
'Otter
Going to my first furry party on the 13th.
It may be that he would indeed let it pass.
But if he thought he found fraud (the dates and broken leg thing) and found about the friendship, he might be too suspecting to sanely evaluate the whole thing.
Kell and Frank have mostly supported RL. It would be interesting and almost scary if RL thought that they would be against him.
'Otter
Going to my first furry party on the 13th.
#12.2.2.1.1.1
Old Prof. Otter
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2010-03-13 01:21
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It is perilous to negotiate face to face about trust issues when one can be eaten too quickly to resolve difficult stuff.
'Otter
'Otter
#12.2.2.1.1.2
Old Prof. Otter
on
2010-03-13 16:32
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RL can be taken down, just not by physical force.
He has served jail time.
And he is a multiple murderer. (IMNAL)
All those challenger's heads on his wall? Each likely a second degree murder.
All those who wanted to retire, or got sick, or such and died of him? First degree murder.
He knew them, he signed/authorized their paychecks, he killed them for a profit motive. Any wolf killed should have sparked an immediate investigation, killing ones own species is very suspicious.
If Domain's own laws are to be effective and not mocked, he should be in prison.
His defense would be that since he ate them, they were killed as food.
This is foolishness. They are predator species, they worked for him, and he had a profit motive for killing each. Or a challenge motive. And added to this is that some of what he is doing is done to circumvent federal and state laws. He should be in prison for the rest of his life, if he is not executed.
Oddly the deer and other large prey species might have been tolerant of his kills. He was killing predators. Where is the downside? Well, this season there was a great downside. The herds took a heaver hit then usual, and the predators were not thinned.
When he goes to trial, when it gets out what was done, the relatives of the killed predators will not be happy about his behavior/kills.
He has served jail time.
And he is a multiple murderer. (IMNAL)
All those challenger's heads on his wall? Each likely a second degree murder.
All those who wanted to retire, or got sick, or such and died of him? First degree murder.
He knew them, he signed/authorized their paychecks, he killed them for a profit motive. Any wolf killed should have sparked an immediate investigation, killing ones own species is very suspicious.
If Domain's own laws are to be effective and not mocked, he should be in prison.
His defense would be that since he ate them, they were killed as food.
This is foolishness. They are predator species, they worked for him, and he had a profit motive for killing each. Or a challenge motive. And added to this is that some of what he is doing is done to circumvent federal and state laws. He should be in prison for the rest of his life, if he is not executed.
Oddly the deer and other large prey species might have been tolerant of his kills. He was killing predators. Where is the downside? Well, this season there was a great downside. The herds took a heaver hit then usual, and the predators were not thinned.
When he goes to trial, when it gets out what was done, the relatives of the killed predators will not be happy about his behavior/kills.
So who would press the charges?
When you have a uber-pred, and one that might carry a grudge to your grave, one needs to be careful.
The herds might.
The staff of HT are not likely to, they might well be investigated.
The local police should have, they may be compromised or terrorized.
The FBI should step in, they may be out o fhe loop.
"Otter
When you have a uber-pred, and one that might carry a grudge to your grave, one needs to be careful.
The herds might.
The staff of HT are not likely to, they might well be investigated.
The local police should have, they may be compromised or terrorized.
The FBI should step in, they may be out o fhe loop.
"Otter
I wonder if he would not kill if 'shown neck': total submission.
It is a species positive way to back down from a fight.
If he would kill at that time, then he (RL) is nuts by his species definition.
'Otter
It is a species positive way to back down from a fight.
If he would kill at that time, then he (RL) is nuts by his species definition.
'Otter
At one time Kell made a point of hunting in the wild.
Which may imply that some hunted in town?
Where would a prey species be safe?
On another topic, HT lacks quality control?
Is 100 lbs of skunk meat counted the same as 100 lbs of deer?
I would strongly expect that any articulate or smart prey would try to get a verifiable link between them and the local pred crowd.
If such a link exists, then the prey's surviving kin could press murder charges. Which may leave Kevin opening any mail sent to Kell that has a return receipt.
Hoping for some response to the raised questions here and elsewhere, and thanking Teri and others for the responses given.
'Otter
Which may imply that some hunted in town?
Where would a prey species be safe?
On another topic, HT lacks quality control?
Is 100 lbs of skunk meat counted the same as 100 lbs of deer?
I would strongly expect that any articulate or smart prey would try to get a verifiable link between them and the local pred crowd.
If such a link exists, then the prey's surviving kin could press murder charges. Which may leave Kevin opening any mail sent to Kell that has a return receipt.
Hoping for some response to the raised questions here and elsewhere, and thanking Teri and others for the responses given.
'Otter
The most critical piece of quality control can not be implemented.
Is the meat from a sick animal and will I catch what it had?
This is too costly to check for each prey, and the time frame and the number of deadly diseases make it impractical.
So mad (prey) disease, prions, rabies, etc., can be passed to the customer, just like the customer was hunting for themselves.
On the human side, one too many instances of something siimilar has created a demand that each animal that is farm raised be identified. If someone gets sick, the farm and the animal, and the animal's herd can be identified. This is the advantage of farmed over wild. The disavantage is in things like non-free-range farmed have less omega-3 fatty acids, and are thus not as good for ones health.
Is the meat from a sick animal and will I catch what it had?
This is too costly to check for each prey, and the time frame and the number of deadly diseases make it impractical.
So mad (prey) disease, prions, rabies, etc., can be passed to the customer, just like the customer was hunting for themselves.
On the human side, one too many instances of something siimilar has created a demand that each animal that is farm raised be identified. If someone gets sick, the farm and the animal, and the animal's herd can be identified. This is the advantage of farmed over wild. The disavantage is in things like non-free-range farmed have less omega-3 fatty acids, and are thus not as good for ones health.
If Rudy is upset about eating meat from the store I think he should do something about it.
Like go out & hunt for the food himself.
Like go out & hunt for the food himself.
Agree, and take grandma out for exercise and because she likely misses hunting. Besides she might just teach him a thing or two, and the bonding experience should be good.
'Otter
'Otter
How about taking Coney as well & making it a duo. That way both can learn something from gram & make a 3 way bonding.
Which brings to mind my concept of a wolf pack.
Kell, now out,
Coney and/or Bruno, as there is a wolf in that combo somewhere,
Rudy,
Elanor,
With side support if ever needed from the foxes.
'Otter
Kell, now out,
Coney and/or Bruno, as there is a wolf in that combo somewhere,
Rudy,
Elanor,
With side support if ever needed from the foxes.
'Otter
speaking of packs. How is the school hunting team doing this year.
Also how is Rhona doing with the colege hunting team.
Also how is Rhona doing with the colege hunting team.
Except for the screaming, kicking, struggling, and dying, just like a human side pick-nick.
(I have recently found the reference to happy meals: it was happy for Coney, not for the meal. If they really wanted a truely happy meal, they might have to flood the bag with laughing gas, and that would eventually leak with everyone being too happy to drive. )
'Otter
(I have recently found the reference to happy meals: it was happy for Coney, not for the meal. If they really wanted a truely happy meal, they might have to flood the bag with laughing gas, and that would eventually leak with everyone being too happy to drive. )
'Otter
I really did not expect more answers than were there yesterday, composed this in a spare moment, and now want to post it anyway.
/song
Preds, and prey and off-stage kills,
the life struggle for good or ill,
a balance to maintain and build,
I've looked at them that way,
I've looked at them from both sides now,
from win or lose, and still somehow,
its Herdthinnner's policies I recall,
I don't understand them at all.
Questions rung upon the air,
people's ansers very rare,
so except for here and there,
a mystery remains.
I've heard this talk from one side now,
and it was nice, but still somehow,
whether anything comes of it remains to be seen.
/end song
I still think that a few more answers would be nice, but
I have had fun, and greatly enjoyed the last weeks telling of the events, and this discussion.
/song
Preds, and prey and off-stage kills,
the life struggle for good or ill,
a balance to maintain and build,
I've looked at them that way,
I've looked at them from both sides now,
from win or lose, and still somehow,
its Herdthinnner's policies I recall,
I don't understand them at all.
Questions rung upon the air,
people's ansers very rare,
so except for here and there,
a mystery remains.
I've heard this talk from one side now,
and it was nice, but still somehow,
whether anything comes of it remains to be seen.
/end song
I still think that a few more answers would be nice, but
I have had fun, and greatly enjoyed the last weeks telling of the events, and this discussion.
Encoded in the above information
are large hints for Lindesfarne on
how much our worlds differ,
especially in the attitude of food
creation and preparation.
Lindesfarne, enjoy!
'Otter
are large hints for Lindesfarne on
how much our worlds differ,
especially in the attitude of food
creation and preparation.
Lindesfarne, enjoy!
'Otter
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