Sunday, December 13. 2009O TANNENBAUM
It was fun being decorated like a Christmas tree. It was for the party that Rhonda and Quinn threw at the family housing dorm, and I was a big hit with the students’ young children. (All under five.) I didn’t stand in one place, through, so people couldn’t place presents beneath me. Fenton took a picture and sent it to Tree back home, who replied with great mirth. She called me the daughter she’d never had. It was just a temporary costume, of course, as already my quills are growing back.
Back home, four-year-old Coney is at the stage where she’s asking questions about Santa. Every child goes through a stage of believing that lasts until about age six or seven, when the inherent contradictions of the story cause it to collapse. Still, it’s instructive as it teaches self-control for both carnivores and herbivores. It the case of carnivores, that was the reason for Santa being the most tempting of targets: an elderly, overweight prey species clad in easy-to-spot bright red. Young predators had to balance the immediate gratification of eating Santa against the consequence of never receiving presents in the future. They learned that “good boys and girls” chose the long view, and thereby began to appreciate the benefits of conserving limited resources. The custom of setting out plates of foliage for Santa to browse tries to do the same for herbivore children, but with less effectiveness. I was raised as a plant eater, and was told that if I ate Santa’s leaves he’d starve to death. With all that fat on him, I didn’t buy it. The little plate left on the fireplace wasn’t going to make that much of a difference to his survival! Still, I’m sure I’ll tell the same story to my children. To the humans out there, I assume your Santa is human as well. Does he fulfill a similar role of influencing the behavior of human children? Trackbacks
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Uh... kinda. Though in a very diffrent way. "Good Boys and Girls" in our definition are the ones who don't get into fights, don't steal, tell the truth, and so on. He defently fills that role of influencing children! We set out cookies instead of leaves over on the human side of our worlds, and the theory is that the jolly old fat guy enjoys a big glass of milk and some major sugary treats to keep his energy up as he dashes around town (and the world) to deliver gifts.
Personally, I always though the old man would rather have a nice sandwich and a soda or a beer or something, but eh, myths and legends. In a way, though I question its effectiveness. Here, there's a song verse that describes it well enough:
"He knows where you are sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake." While it is tradition to leave out cookies and milk for him, (my family also left out carrots for the 'flying reindeer' which supposedly pull his sleigh), the gifts are contingent upon being good prior to that night. Supposedly, if you aren't good, you get coal instead of presents. In practice, of course, I've never heard of this happening. Basically, he's a lot less helpless over here, and it's more a case of bribery than hurting Santa. 'Course, we do have our greedy moments, so perhaps that wasn't entirely unwise... Incidentally, he was originally thin over here. I think it was changed in an ad or something back in the early 1900's, maybe great the great depression, when some artist got tired of seeing a skinny santa during a time of lack, and it stuck. We do have a Santa, and he is human. However, his sleigh is said to be pulled by reindeer, and in most movie portrayals, the reindeer talk, so take that as you will. He sort of fulfills a similar role except he seems to focus more on not throwing snowballs at old people than not eating him.
True Santa is the one who brings gifts to good boys & girls. He is said to keep a list of good & bad children. Bad children get coal in their socks instead of candy & toys. But with the price of coal going thru the roof I think Santa will have to find another item to leave in the stockings. What do you think he should leave instead of coal.
Switches were given instead of coal in places were coal was valueable, but since the implication was that the child was naughty enough to deserve a "switching," I think many would find it a bit too harsh.
You are right. switching is to harsh. How about deer droppings. Santa must have a million tons of the stuff. The only trouble is unless its sealed in plastic bags anyone would smell him coming for miles around.
Wow, that sounds like an intresting party, L.
Anyway, are Santa is of course human (though Raindeer do still play a big part of his mythos), though here we do tend to belive until like 12 (or maybe that's just me). Our lesson tends to be more to do with just acting good and being paicent. Of course, we mainly see it as a time to get to gether with family we don't normally see and do some charity work, though presents are still the big thing on all our minds. I'm hoping for a camera that can put vids on YouTube (I have a few ideas for internet shows) and a copy of Left 4 Dead 2. If I may ask Linds, what are you hoping to get? Because I'm registering at various stores for wedding gifts I'm not asking my friends and relatives for additional holiday loot. What I could use for the next six months is the gift of time.
I think you will get some gifts. Some like to find any excuse to give a gift The big thing at this time is regifting. Not bad if the gift is still new & unopened. Note. If you regift something check to make sure their is no card inside with the name of the giver & your name.
Sounds like you had a "tree-mendous" time, Lindesfarne.
Christmas as we know it didn't come about until the 19th Century. Before then, some thought it shouldn't be celbrated, calling it a waste of time and immoral. That's only true in a limited sense, though..... Here in New England, Christmas celebrations were discouraged on sectarian religious grounds - they were thought too worldly and riotous, and even worse, 'Popish' - until the mid- 19th century. Other parts of the country continued to celebrate in the traditional manner, with feasts, games etc.
Santa was borrowed from the Dutch of New Amsterdam, and gradually Americanized over the centuries. His present appearance owes a lost to the late-19th century cartoonist, Thomas Nast. Well, that is only if you are Christian. For us Jews, it's more like "If you are naughtly and tell the other children that Santa is not reall, you will not be reciving any gifts this Hanukkah."
Yeah, there is some hidden Christianity in this whole thing.
There are many implications to this for L's universe that they have both Easter and Christmas, yet have almost generic religions. There should be a Jewish equivalent in there as well. For a good but strange Christmas song google the following:" December of Cambreadth For a good strange Christmas story check out: christmas cat digby soapware 24 and search for cat in that page. Or just go half way down. 'Otter Christmas, K&K back in the archives
http://www.kevinandkell.com/2000/kk1225.html Hanukkah in "Kevin & Kell"
http://www.kevinandkell.com/2004/kk1212.html Nowadays I think the portrayal of Santa is heavily influenced by movies and TV.
In the past, Santa was seen as a immortal, jolly old fat man who lived at the North Pole with his (oftwn unnamed) wife, reindeer and a bunch of elves who hand-made all the toys and gifts. To me, the best Santa-origins story was the TV special, "Santa Clause is Coming to Town", based on the song of the same title. The biggest change in the modern Santa is the incorporation of technology in all aspects of what he does: o Gifts are now built by fanciful machines, while the elves seem to do little more than just look busy. o Santa's sleigh departure now has the tech and precision of an aircraft carrier launch, complete with runway. o The North Pole has a passive defense system, often in the form of some kind of cloaking device. o Monitoring system to keep tabs on the kids. o Computers to manage the naughty/nice database. Etc. etc. Santa's organization is also at times depicted as a kind of corporate structure, complete with divisions, departments and such. Personally, I like this take on things. It appeals to the geek in me. Also, things aren't always hunky-dorey. Santa is often faced with some kind of dilemma that threatens Christmas or even their own lives This adds a human quality that makes him a bit more believable. Actually, I have a question for you all over on the Domain side. Where do Christmas and Hanukkah come from over there? Here, they have religious origins, with Christmas celebrating the birth of Christ, and Hanukkah... maybe someone Jewish could explain that better, but wikipedia says this:
An eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt of the 2nd century BCE But since our religons seem to differ, where do yours come from? P.S.: Claus was kinda tacked on to Christmas later over here, as I understand it. I never believed in Santa, but my cousin believed until she was about 12. But as a person with Asperger's, the Rudolph reindeer, rejected because of his glowing nose until Santa needs hin for a foggy, snowy Christmas to light the way, is quite meaningful to me.
Yeah; as a fox with dystracksia (a trait that Rudy Dewclaw shares) and ADHD, I also find Rudolph's story rather poignant. When the story comes to the point where the other reindeer are teasing him because of his glowing nose I like to yell: "It's a feature, not a bug!"
Lindesfarne, I have a question (as usual, lol).
Your Santa IS a reindeer. Ours is human, but he is pulled in a sleigh by a troop of FLYING reindeer. One at the front named Rudolph has a glowing red nose to light the way. Who pulls your Santa's sleigh? Other creatures with superpowers? Our Santa's sleigh is pulled by other reindeer. (Some think the position of "Santa" rotates among the team.)
To Koronak, yes, we have Christianity and Judaism here, as well as many other religions. Ahh, so it's not so much a replacement as an addition. Interesting.
I always suspected the Santa position rotated and the "elderly, fat, and easily spotted in red" part was a disguise. Nine makes up a small but reasonable herd, and if you factor in the kind of shape those flying reindeer have to stay in to get presents all over the world in just one night...
When I was in high school, one of my friends showed me a really twisted Christmas story he wrote where Santa and his herd attacked carnivore children that tried to eat Santa; that Santa was in as good shape as his reindeer, and Santa was simply the "bait." I lost track of him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went on to write horror stories professionally. More like rotation. Each year a diffrant reindeer plays Santa. That way no one reindeer has to take the risk of being eaten every year.
what species is jesus on you side? god? moses? abraham? cain? abel? adam? eve? mark? tiger woods?
I think it was explained that Jesus appeared as whatever species the veiwer was so that he could more easily deliver his message. I'm not sure about the outhers, though I doubt god has an actual species in, well, any universe.
Tiger Woods is a Tiger-Rabbit. He keeps his long ears hidden under his cap.
Ohhhhh, ho ho hoooo (see what I did there?)
Sooooo many things I could say about Saturnalia and the true origin of Christmas, ect , ect. But, I'll just say; whatever culture owns it will make it into what the culture wants/needs. Our Santa Claus is a mixture of traditions ranging from the Feast of St. Nicholas to Odin to a Nordic character who brought presents to Martin Luther's attempt to Christianize left-over pagan practices. A Visit From St. Nicholas helped shape the notion of Santa Claus, particularly in North America.
America's Santa Claus lacks the bite of Europe's counterparts. Here the legend has it that bad children get coal or switches. In Germany they beware the Krampus, a horned creature with a dark face who punishes bad children. The Dutch have Zwarte Pete, who does the same. Accourding to a report only the female reindeer have antlers by the end of November. But only the pregnant one. If these facts hold true then santa along with the reindeer who pull him would be pregnant female.
That would explain the belly. But I try not to anylize that much, the strory was created before that antler knowledge was known (I'm guessing).
Prosthetics. The shed antlers are often sold or kept to make enhancement pieces to wear throughout the year. Mainly males with an ego problem buy them. But as you can see, they come in useful around the holidays.
You humans have such adornment. I believe it's referred to as wigs. There was an excellent wig maker at Manthrocon this past year. He makes them for hu-man costumes out of horsetail hair that has been bleached and dyed. Lindesfarne, tell your brother I was a huge fan of his Rondo and Viola comic! Snata Clause, or Santa Clouse as he was called origionaly, was a Christmas figure long before his Americanization. He would roam about the woods in his dark green coat watching the children of Denmark to see who was good and who was bad. Then, on Christmas night he and his friend Woodsman John, a large fat man dressed in animal skins, would go around giving gifts to the good children. John, due to his great size, pulled the sled over the snow. In some legends, Clouse carried a shepherds crook and John a bow to ward off evil spirits that intend to hurt children. This second function they aparently did all year, but especialy on holy nights.
The modern beta version came from the famous poem Twas the Night Before Christmas, a story the writer made up on the spot for his children. In it, he sort of combined Clouse and John to make a jolly fat man who deilivered goods. This poem also added the imagry of flying Reigndeer (and named them), chimneys, and Santa being outright magical. As others have mentioned, the curly white beard, red suite, and elves came later from an old Coca-cola add in the early 1900s. Santa's hat was later added in the 50s by another such add. I am not, however, sure where the imagry of the North Pole and Mrs. Clause came from. A German-American political cartoonist named Thomas Nast took inpiration from C.C. Moore's "Night Before Christmas" to produce the earliest "modern" drawings of a chubby, bearded Santa Claus wearing a red suit trimmed with white. His first drawing, c. 1862, appeared in Harper's Weekly. Through the 1880s his drawings came closer and closer to what became the "Coca-Cola" Santa.
Nast was even more famous for his use of elephants and donkeys as political symbols than he was for drawing Santa. Lindesfarne, do political allegiances tend to follow species lines in Domain? Not sure of where to send this, the frontpage of kevinandkell.com tried to redirect to a "speedconnection.cn" page, it seemed to link to the Fasttrack and Safehavens (both well done comics)
This week Rudy is telling Fiona how when he was for he wanted the most expencive toy in the store. A RED RIDER GRAVITY POWERED REMOTE TRIGGERED HERBIVORE TRAP. Looking at it I think of Coney when Kevin & kell took her to a resterant for dinner. They gave her a kids menu & some crayons. She quickly turned them into a trap like the one in the store window. Had Rudy used his head h =e would have gotten a box. a stick & some string & made one for almost nothing.
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